Mountain Frames

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As a highly versatile touring bike, the Bridge Club hits the sweet spot that separates on- and off-road excursions. The simplistic design makes it fully adept to handle a full rack and pannier setup, frame bags, or any combination of the two. It doesn’t feel sluggish on paved shortcuts, but can also hold its own on dirt detours. If you’re feeling a little zesty on your next road tour, you won’t be ill-prepared for reroutes through the woods. The Bridge Club is designed to handle it all. - 100% Surly Chromoly frame, main triangle is double-butted; 1-1/8" threadless Chromoly fork - Rack, fender, and four sets of three-pack mounts - Disc brake-specific, single-position vertical rear dropout makes it less intimidating than other bikes in the category - Clearance for 700 x 47mm (with or without fenders) or 27.5 x 2.8" tires (27.5 x 2.6" with fenders)

Ice Cream Truck solves the problem of having to choose between a fat bike and a trail bike. It boasts a symmetric 190mm-spaced Chromoly frame, suspension-corrected 150mm-spaced fork, and sporty trail-oriented geometry. Supported by massive 4.8" tires, itis ready to deftly tackle nearly any terrain. - 100% Surly Chromoly steel with 44mm headtube and internal dropper post cable routing - Frame is E.D. Coated for increased life expectancy - 1-1/8" straight steerer fork, Chromoly steel - 100mm threaded bottom bracket shell - Front and rear thru-axles, non-off-set - Universal cast dropouts accommodate thru-axle or quick-release standards

The Karate Monkey features updated, progressive trail geometry, our custom trumpet tubeset and Surly’s Gnot-Boost rear dropout system. Available in a variety of colors, with multiple drivetrain and wheel size configurations. - 100% Surly Chromoly steel frame and fork; double-butted main triangle and 44mm headtube - The tubeset uses the same trumpet tubes found on Instigator 2.0 frame - Adjustable rear dropouts with 145mm Gnot-Boost spacing. Works with 142, 148 12mm thru, as well as 135mm w/ 10/12 washer - Internal dropper seatpost routing with 30.9mm seat tube ID - Clearance for 29 x 2.55 or 27.5 x 3 tires

The Karate Monkey features updated, progressive trail geometry, our custom trumpet tubeset, and Surly's Gnot-Boost rear dropout system. Available in a variety of colors, with multiple drivetrain and wheel size configurations.

The Karate Monkey frame features updated, progressive trail geometry, a new tubeset, and Surly’s Gnot-Boost rear dropout system to support multiple drivetrain and wheel size configurations. - 100% Surly 4130 chromoly steel frame and fork; double-butted main triangle and 44mm headtube - Tubeset uses the same trumpet tubes found on Instigator 2.0 frame - Adjustable rear dropouts with 145mm Gnot-Boost spacing works with 142 x 12, 148 x 12mm, and 135mm w/ 10/12 washer - Internal dropper seatpost routing - 30.9mm seat tube ID - Clearance for 29 x 2.55 or 27.5 x 3 tires

Karate Monkey is a highly versatile trail bike that plays the part of 29er and 27.5+ equally well. Karate Monkey delivers a resilient, lively ride on all sorts of gnarly terrain. Its frame is a highly-versatile canvas for whatever dirty masterpiece your brain cooks up. According to our computing machine (Thor) it can be set up in approximately 487 different configurations. Originally designed as a 29er (and the frame that helped spark the 29" wheel movement), the latest Karate Monkey is designed to perform just as admirably as a 27.5+ rig as well. This allows you to pick your poison — provided your poison is having a really great time while permanently donning a huge grin, of course. - Modern trail standards: dropper post compatibility, 44mm headtube, Gnot-Boost rear spacing, thru-axles, suspension corrected fork - Compatibility with most mountain bike standards makes it the perfect parts bin bike (no rim brakes allowed though) - Clearance for 29" x 2.5" or 27.5" x 3" tires

The Krampus is the bike that started it all — the plus-size movement that is. Krampus features Surly’s Gnot-Boost rear hub spacing of 145mm; compatible with Boost 148 x 12mm thru-axle, 142 x 12mm thru-axle and 135mm quick-release hubs. - 100% Surly 4130 CroMoly steel frame and fork; double-butted main triangle and 44mm headtube - New tube-set uses the same trumpet tubes found on 2017 Karate Monkey frame - Gnot-Boost adjustable rear dropouts - Internal dropper seatpost routing - 30.9mm seat tube - Designed to fit up to 29 x 3.0” tires

As the first "plus" bike to hit the market, Krampus changed the way many people approach trail riding. It's shown people the light of how high-volume, large-diameter tires can vastly improve the ride experience. It's also done a bang-up job dispelling the myth that big tires make you slow. Krampus is kind of like the opposite of a mullet: long in the front and short in the rear. With a long toptube and compact chainstays, it takes trail-shredding abilities to the next level. A mullet may be business in the front, party in the back but Krampus makes partying its business. - Modern trail standards: dropper post compatibility, 44mm headtube, Gnot-Boost rear spacing, thru-axles, suspension-corrected fork - Compatibility with most mountain bike standards makes it the perfect parts bin bike (no rim brakes allowed though) - Clearance for 29 x 3" tires

As the first "plus" bike to hit the market, Krampus changed the way many people approach trail riding. It's shown people the light of how high-volume, large-diameter tires can vastly improve the ride experience. It's also done a bang-up job dispelling the myth that big tires make you slow. Krampus is kind of like the opposite of a mullet: long in the front and short in the rear. With a long toptube and compact chainstays, it takes trail-shredding abilities to the next level. A mullet may be business in the front, party in the back but Krampus makes partying its business. - Modern trail standards: dropper post compatibility, 44mm headtube, Gnot-Boost rear spacing, thru-axles, suspension-corrected fork - Compatibility with most mountain bike standards makes it the perfect parts bin bike (no rim brakes allowed though) - Clearance for 29 x 3" tires

Lowside is the bike that gets you across town for a quick rip on singletrack, then over to the bar for a night out. Your BMX Bike All Grown Up Lowside is like the grownup version of the bike you rode when you were a kid and still had hopes and dreams and some semblance of ambition. It's just as happy riding singletrack as it is parked outside your favorite drinking establishment. Lowside is a single speed mountain bike. Singlespeeding has been a part of Surly's DNA since day one when we launched the 1x1 Rat Ride. After a lot of Homie Fall Fests and more feats of strength than we can recall, we decided to discontinue it a couple years back. Lowside picks up right where the 1x1 left off. "Some have dubbed the Lowside the ultimate pub cruiser." - Modern trail standards: dropper post compatibility, 44mm headtube, Gnot-Boost rear spacing, thru-axles - Compatibility with most mountain bike standards makes it the perfect parts bin bike (no rim brakes allowed though) - Spec'd in alternating years with 26 x 3" or 27.5 x 2.8" tires, the Lowside remains capable of running either option

The Lowside is the bike that gets you across town for a quick rip on singletrack, then over to the bar for a night out. It’s the bike you turn to when you’re not entirely sure what the night has in store. It’s the bike to grab when you want to have just much fun riding to the trail as you do from the trail itself. Singlespeeding is an integral part of Surly’s DNA, and the Lowside continues the tradition, by taking a simpler approach to trail riding. - 100% Surly 4130 Chromoly frame, main triangle is double-butted; 1-1/8" threadless Chromoly fork - Singlespeed “specific” (derailleur hanger but no Trip Guides) - Dropper post routing - Gnot-Boost rear spacing - Front and rear thru-axle - 26 x 3” or 27.5 x 2.8” tire clearance

Designed to go where no normal fat bike can, the Surly Moonlander is for riders who want otherworldly capabilities on rocky shorelines, sand, snow, and desolate landscapes not yet discovered. It’s the ultimate choice for explorers who itch for the next great adventure, and aren’t afraid of what they might find. - Constructed from 100% Surly Chromoly Steel for excellent durability - Clearance for 24 x 6.25” tires, as well as 26 x 5.1", 27.5 x 4.8", and 29 x 3" - Comes with rack and fender mounts, as well as accessory mounts on both fork blades to enhance cargo capacity - Four frame sizes to fit most riders: SM, MD, LG, XL

The All-Around Fat Bike Wednesday sits in the middle of our Trail category, but don't let that fool you into thinking that's its only use. With Wednesday, we borrowed elements from some of our Trail and Touring models to create a versatile fat tire trail bike that can truly handle anything you want to attempt. If you do an equal amount of off-road touring as you do hitting trails, Wednesday's ability to play both parts equally will suit you well. Or, if you're looking for a fat bike and don't need the fattest tires on the market, Wednesday's 26 x 4.6" tire clearance is just the ticket. "Any day of the week's a great day to ride a Wednesday." - Modern mountain standards: stealth dropper post routing, 44mm headtube, suspension correction, front and rear thru-axles - Full suite of useful braze-ons: front and rear racks, multiple sets of three-pack mounts, fenders - Full-forward, short chainstay position: 26 x 3.8" tires on 80mm rims; full-rearward, longer chainstay position: 26 x 4.6" tires on an 80mm rim Specs: - Rear Dropout Configuration: Horizontal slotted with optional vertical dumpout - Rear Hub Spacing: 12 x 177mm (Surly axle included); 10 x 170mm with Surly 10/12 Adapter Washers (not included) - Front Hub Spacing: 15 x 150mm (Surly axle included) - Rear Brake: Disc - 51mm I.S. (203mm max rotor) - Front Brake: Disc - 51mm I.S. (203mm max rotor) - Head Tube: Ø44mm - Steerer Tube: Ø28.6mm (1-1/8") - Crown Race: Ø30mm (1-1/8") - Stock Headset Upper (S.H.I.S.): ZS44/28.6 - Stock Headset Lower (S.H.I.S.): EC44/30 - Front Derailleur (Clamp): High direct mount top-pull (Ø34.9mm) - Max Chainring (CL): 1x (Fat bike 170): 34T; 2x (Fat bike 170): 26/38T; 2x (Surly OD): 22/36T - Tire Clearance Frame: 26 x 4.3" (rear axle position); 26 x 3.8" (front axle position); 29 x 3.0" - Tire Clearance Fork: 26 x 5.25"; 29 x 3.0" - Rigid Fork Spec: 468 x 47mm - Max Suspension Fork Length: 511 x 51mm (Fatbike 100mm) - Bottle Mounts Frame: 2 Standard (XS - M); 3 Standard (L - XL) - Bottle Mounts Fork: 2 Three-Pack - Rack Mounts Frame: Yes (upper and lower threaded) - Rack Mounts Fork: Yes (upper, lower, and mid-blade threaded) - Fender Mounts Frame: Yes - Other Features: Internal dropper post routing compatible

The All-Around Fat Bike Wednesday sits in the middle of our Trail category, but don’t let that fool you into thinking that’s its only use. With Wednesday, we borrowed elements from some of our Trail and Touring models to create a versatile fat tire trail bike that can truly handle anything you want to attempt. If you do an equal amount of off-road touring as you do hitting trails, Wednesday’s ability to play both parts equally will suit you well. Or, if you’re looking for a fat bike and don’t need the fattest tires on the market, Wednesday’s 26 x 4.6” tire clearance is just the ticket. "Any day of the week’s a great day to ride a Wednesday." - Modern mountain standards: stealth dropper post routing, 44mm headtube, suspension correction, front and rear thru-axles - Full suite of useful braze-ons: front and rear racks, multiple sets of three-pack mounts, fenders - Full-forward, short chainstay position: 26 x 3.8? tires on 80mm rims; full-rearward, longer chainstay position: 26 x 4.6? tires on an 80mm rim

If there’s one thing Tom knows, it’s dirt. When he first designed the Ultra he knew it would appeal to riders who demand specific ride characteristics and dirt slaying only he could deliver- and that was in the 1980s! Good design withstands the test of time, and the latest iteration of the Ultra is a prime example. Like its predecessor from 30 years prior, the new Ultra occupies a unique ride space from cross-country riders looking to get rowdy and go big to enduro riders lusting for some all-mountain shredding. Designed around a 120mm travel fork and super stable Boost 148 spacing, most of the fun is in the wheels. Designed to accommodate 29" or 27.5" wheels, the Ultra is highly versatile. Throw on some 29s for some trail-smashing XC riding, or saddle up some 27.5+ for some serious no-holds-barred shredding. The Ultra is a rough and rugged trail master that doesn’t know when to quit. - Compatible with 27.5 x 2.8 and 29 x 2.4 tires - Internal routing for a dropper post - Boost 148x12 rear spacing

Whether you're ripping fast flowy singletrack, putting the power down on punchy climbs, or tearing the tires off in the corners, the Optic continues to push the boundaries of what's possible on a short travel trail bike. The new Optic with 140mm/125mm of travel condenses years of technology from our long travel bikes into a lightweight package that's as ready to tear up climbs as it is tackling challenging descents. The VPSHP suspension layout provides increased rearward axle path and an idler to manage pedal feedback, keeping Optic's playful roots, while punching above its weight when the trails get rough. Available with a 27.5" rear wheel (MX), as well as 29" in some markets. Swapping the linkarm and lower shock mount with the "Missing Link Kit" converts between 27.5" and 29" to let you pick the wheelsize that suits you best, while maintaining geometry and kinematics to ensure consistent fit and bike setup.

With 140mm/125mm of travel, the Optic condenses years of technology from long travel bikes into a lightweight package that’s as comfortable tearing up climbs as it is tackling challenging descents. The VPSHP suspension layout provides increased rearward axle path and an idler to manage pedal feedback, keeping Optic’s playful roots, while punching above its weight when the trails get rough. GEOMETRY Coming in five frame sizes (1,2,3,4,5) to support rider heights up to 6’5" (196cm), allows you to choose the frame size that best fits your body and riding preferences. Rear centres and seat tube angles are varied by frame size to ensure consistent rider weight distribution, and short seat tubes with long dropper posts keep the saddle out of the way on technical descents. - Carbon Frame & SS, Alloy CS, 125mm Travel - UDH, Eagle Transmission Compatible, Ride Aligned™

Whether you're ripping fast flowy singletrack, putting the power down on punchy climbs, or tearing the tires off in the corners, the Optic continues to push the boundaries of what's possible on a short travel trail bike. The new Optic with 140mm/125mm of travel condenses years of technology from our long travel bikes into a lightweight package that's as ready to tear up climbs as it is tackling challenging descents. The VPSHP suspension layout provides increased rearward axle path and an idler to manage pedal feedback, keeping Optic's playful roots, while punching above its weight when the trails get rough. Available with a 27.5" rear wheel (MX), as well as 29" in some markets. Swapping the linkarm and lower shock mount with the "Missing Link Kit" converts between 27.5" and 29" to let you pick the wheelsize that suits you best, while maintaining geometry and kinematics to ensure consistent fit and bike setup. - Aluminum hydroformed frame with Enduro bearings, 125mm travel.Ride - Aligned with Norco design kinematic, High pivot Horst Link and non-concentric idler. - Includes links for 29" and 29"/27.5" configurations for no compromise geometry and kinematics. - Fitment for longer drop seatposts per frame size.Updates to frame protection with co-molded parts - Updated frame protection with co-molded parts. - Weight (S3): 4.2 kg / 9.3 lbs - Ride AlignedTM – Perfect fit, dialed handling and personalized setup in minutes. - No Other Way Limited Lifetime Warranty Optic’s durable frame design, hardware and component decisions have been made specifically to keep the Optic on the trail for longer. Accidents can happen, and when they do, Norco’s No Other Way Limited Lifetime Guarantee is our promise to get you back on the trail as soon as possible. Check out our new warranty on Norco.com

Whether you’re carving down a steep loam line, dropping in for an enduro stage, or heading into the backcountry for an all-day epic, this bike performs. With increased rearward axle path, idler, and the innovative VPSHP suspension layout, this new design gives the Sight next level confidence and capability, up or down the mountain. With 160/150mm of travel, the 2024 Sight takes the best of the Range Platform and has tighten it up into a light, pedal friendly, maneuverable, high-pivot package. Available with a 27.5” rear wheel (MX), as well as 29” in some markets. Swapping the linkarm and lower shock mount with the “Missing Link Kit” converts between 27.5” and 29” to let you pick the wheelsize that suits you best while maintaining geometry and kinematics to ensure consistent fit and bike setup. - Rockshox Vivid Ultimate Air - Co-molded frame protection. - Missing Link Kits for wheel size conversion. - Weight (S3): 4.2 kg / 9.3 lbs - Ride AlignedTM – Perfect fit, dialed handling and personalized setup in minutes. - New No Other Way Limited Lifetime Warranty

Whether you're carving down a steep loam line, dropping in for an enduro stage, or heading into the backcountry for an all-day epic, this bike performs. With increased rearward axle path, idler, and the innovative VPSHP suspension layout, this new design gives the Sight next level confidence and capability, up or down the mountain. With 160/150mm of travel, the 2024 Sight takes the best of the Range Platform and has tighten it up into a light, pedal friendly, maneuverable, high-pivot package. Available with a 27.5" rear wheel (MX), as well as 29" in some markets. Swapping the linkarm and lower shock mount with the "Missing Link Kit" converts between 27.5" and 29" to let you pick the wheelsize that suits you best while maintaining geometry and kinematics to ensure consistent fit and bike setup. - Rockshox Vivid ULTIMATE - Co-molded frame protection. - Missing Link Kits for wheel size conversion. - Weight (S3): 3.2 kg / 6.9 lbs - Ride AlignedTM – Perfect fit, dialed handling and personalized setup in minutes. - New No Other Way Limited Lifetime Warranty

The DV9 is back! A do-it-all carbon fiber hardtail designed to take you from the trailhead to the starting line, with a session at the pump track in between. Lighter weight, with up to date geometry, and engineered to the same exacting standards as the rest of our line, it packs a ton of performance in a more accessible price.

The Exie USA is a World-Cup capable cross-country race bike that flat out shreds. With a sub 2,000g frame weight and dw-link suspension, it offers a stunning combination of pedaling efficiency and downhill performance. We designed, built, and test­ed it in our Santa Cruz factory, which is pow­ered by the warm Cal­i­for­nia sunshine. RACE PROVEN Jen­ny Rissveds won the 2023 Lenz­er­hei­de XCC World Cup Cross Coun­try Event on the Ibis Exie, a bike we quite lit­er­al­ly made in our own back­yard here in North­ern California! BUILT BY US We build each Exie USA in our North­ern Cal­i­for­nia fac­to­ry. This gives us the utmost con­trol, which enables us to hit remark­able frame strength, stiff­ness, and weight tar­gets for this frame. SIZE SPECIFIC SEAT ANGLES Whether you're rac­ing short track or on a mul­ti day epic, the Exie's seat tube angles allows you to har­ness your strongest mus­cles, while reduc­ing any potential knee or wrist strain. We've also steep­ened the seat tube angles as the frames get larg­er, to allow rid­ers with dif­fer­ent inseams to achieve the same rid­ing positions. DW-LINK SUSPENSION Don't squan­der a sin­gle watt. Our dw-link sus­pen­sion plat­form offers incred­i­ble climb­ing effi­cien­cy and trac­tion along with plush, down­hill-crush­ing goodness. RIDE MORE, WRENCH LESS We use bush­ings where it makes sense and bear­ings where it doesn't. The IGUS bush­ings in our low­er link are lighter, stiffer, and vir­tu­al­ly main­te­nance free. We've also added fea­tures like a thread­ed bot­tom brack­et to help make any future main­te­nance easy. INTERNAL CABLE ROUTING Inter­nal cable rout­ing doesn't have to be a pain. We've added inter­nal tubes to our tubes, no pick­sets, flash­lights, or swear words required. 2.4" TIRE CLEARANCE You can run over­built, chunky tires; you can run light, big vol­ume fast tires, but whatever you run, you're not lim­it­ed by width. 2X BOTTLE CLEARANCE The Exie USA has clear­ance for two water bot­tles inside the front tri­an­gle on every size frame. INTEGRATED CHAIN GUIDE Drop the ham­mer, not your chain. LIFETIME WARRANTY If it's our fault, we'll fix it. Sim­ple as that.

The Exie USA is a World-Cup capable cross-country race bike that flat out shreds. With a sub 2,000g frame weight and dw-link suspension, it offers a stunning combination of pedaling efficiency and downhill performance. We designed, built, and test­ed it in our Santa Cruz factory, which is pow­ered by the warm Cal­i­for­nia sunshine.

Introducing the HD6, the evolution of one of the most successful enduro bikes in history. Designed with input from our Enduro World Cup team and building upon our award-winning Ripmo and HD lines, the HD6 features increased travel, a completely redesigned suspension layout, and mixed wheels. GEOMETRY The 29" front wheel, bol­stered by 180mm of trav­el, assures sta­bil­i­ty, whereas the 27.5" rear wheel allows for addi­tion­al maneu­ver­abil­i­ty. The 165mm of trav­el skill­ful­ly man­ages any fall­out. With a 64-degree head tube angle (one-degree slack­er than the cur­rent Rip­mo), a BB height sim­i­lar to Mojo HD5, and chain­stay length iden­ti­cal to the cur­rent Rip­mo (despite the 27.5" rear wheel), the bike main­tains an equi­lib­ri­um between agili­ty and stability. FIVE SIZES In order to place every size rid­er in the same position over the rear wheel, the HD's seat tube angles get steep­er as frame size increases. With four sizes, this would have result­ed in larger jumps in reach, so we added a fifth size. The small­er incre­ments across five sizes means that you can find just the right size. We encourage rid­ers to choose their bike size based on their desired reach and top tube measurements. COIL COMPATIBLE Our upper link sus­pen­sion lay­out is pro­gres­sive enough to be sen­si­tive off the top, yet sup­port­ive enough for the biggest hits. It is also com­pat­i­ble with all coil shocks, for those longer race stages that can tax air shock performance. DW-LINK The sus­pen­sion lay­out may be new, but it's still DW-Link. The inher­ent effi­cien­cy means you don't need an over­damped shock to climb well. Less shock damp­ing allows the wheels to stay plant­ed on the ground, pro­vid­ing more trac­tion and that hov­er-bike feel that our frames are known for. The HD6 climbs with a finesse that defies its enduro race pedigree. TRACTION TUNE Our cus­tom tuned front and rear sus­pen­sion fea­ture extra light high speed com­pres­sion and rebound damp­ing to deliv­er unpar­al­leled trac­tion. This allows the wheels to flut­ter through rough ter­rain like a tro­phy truck storm­ing through a set of whoops. BUSHINGS Tired of buy­ing bear­ings each sea­son? So were we. That's why we've strate­gi­cal­ly employed bush­ings where they're most effec­tive and bear­ings else­where. The IGUS bush­ings in our low­er link are not only lighter and stiffer, they're vir­tu­al­ly main­te­nance-free. We believe so strongly in them, we back them with free life­time replacement. LIGHTWEIGHT PREMIUM CARBON All our bikes are built from the high­est grade mate­ri­als and opti­mized for the best strength, weight, stiff­ness, and ride performance, no matter how much you spend. The HD6 frame is sub 6 lbs without shock and our com­plete Enduro ready builds weigh as lit­tle as 32 lbs. INTERNAL CABLE ROUTING Bikes that look pret­ty on the out­side should look pret­ty on the inside. We use car­bon fiber tubes mold­ed with­in each frame. Push the cable in, watch it pop out a beau­ti­ful moment indeed. PROTECT YOUR INVESTMENT A thick rub­ber down­tube pro­tec­tor deflects debris, while our chain­stay pro­tec­tor fea­tures thick raised sec­tions to help damp­en chain slap noise. And our sim­­ple-yet-ele­­gant link­age pro­tec­tors stop mud and rocks thrown by the tire, keep­ing your beau­ti­ful bike beautiful. LIFETIME WARRANTY If it's our fault, we'll fix it. Sim­ple as that.

The Ripley is our snappy, flickable, playful, fast, lightweight, and versatile 29” trail bike. Its combination of modern geometry, a stiff lightweight carbon chassis, and 120mm of ultra efficient dw-link travel, means it’s equally happy popping off bonus lines as it is crushing all day epics.

The Ripley AF is our beloved, category-defying, short-travel, singletrack-scorching Ripley - rendered in aluminum, with more aggressive geometry. All the sizzle and pop of the carbon Ripley, now available at a wallet friendly price.

The Ripley AF is our beloved, category-defying, short-travel, singletrack-scorching Ripley - rendered in aluminum, with more aggressive geometry. All the sizzle and pop of the carbon Ripley, now available as a complete bike at a wallet friendly price.

What if we took everybody’s favorite bike and made it a little slacker and little longer? Hell, what if we made it more progressive and coil compatible? And that’s exactly what we did for the Ripmo V2S. Active ingredients include: 29” wheels, berm-defying cornering tendencies, and a love for long rides.

The Ripmo AF (Aluminum Frame) brings the award-winning performance of the carbon Ripmo to a wider, rowdier audience. It’s everything we love from the carbon Ripmo, plus a few tweaks.